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Military Yanks PSA About Camp Pendleton Marine

A public service announcement featuring former Marine Sgt. Gary Stein was intended to keep Marines out of trouble during election season.

 

A military public affairs team pulled a public service announcement that featured former Camp Pendleton Marine Gary Stein.

The Temecula-Valley resident was given an other-than-honorable discharge in April after he had written comments critical of the president on the Facebook page Armed Forces Tea Party.

The public service announcement—called “Staying social media savvy during election season"—was published Tuesday and upset Stein, according to the Marine Corps Times.

A search on the military’s primary news wire showed the video’s link existed, but an error message appeared in its place.

Related: Patch coverage of Gary Stein

The video—which was published by Marines of Marine Corps Air Station Cherry Point—was pulled Tuesday, said Amanda Pacheco, of the Defense Video & Imagery Distribution System. She could not comment on the reason and would not be able to provide the video, she added.

Related Topics: Election, Gary Stein, and Tea Party

Charly

12:42 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Opinions have no place in a service person's respect and honor of the Commander and Chief. This sounds like it could be the seeds that in other places turn into military coups. Good for the Marines for holding true. The politics can't be allowed to taint our military response. I have never served in the military, as I am not sure I could comply with the expectations. However, I honor and respect those of you who do. Semper Fi!!

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Andy Alford

2:15 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Opinions have no play in a Communist Country. This is NOT (yet) a Communist Country. He can have and voice, his opinions to his heart's content, so long as he does not do it in an official manner (i.e. in Uniform, or as a representative of the United States Marine Corps). But he DOES maintain his 1st Amendment Rights. Until or if, the SCOTUS rules otherwise.

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Jackie Zufall

2:20 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

But you don't honor and respect Gary who has done just as much to defend YOUR right to freedom of speech and feelings huh????

I don't give a rat's butt if they are military or not, FIRST AND FOREMOST THEY ARE AMERICANS AND ALL AMERICANS EARN THE RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND FEELINGS, AS LONG AS HE DOES HIS "JOB" GARY STEIN SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN GIVEN ANY KIND OF DISCHARGE AND IF OUR PRESIDENT WAS ANY KIND OF "MAN" AT ALL HE WOULD STAND UP FOR GARY'S RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH WHETHER WAS UNFAVORABLY OF HIM OR NOT, BECAUSE OPINIONS VARY AND THIS IS MINE!!!!!

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Hope

3:02 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Jackie: The Dixie Chicks are American. I bet you whined like a baby when they dared to critize Bush. They received death threats. PS YOU DONT HAVE TO YELL. LMFAO

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craig renn

3:47 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

IF you honor and respect those of us who HAVE served OUR Great country, then believe us when we say we are NOT so STUPID as to give any HONOR to a SOCIALIST, regardless of who he is!!!!! Ole barry is an ILLEGAL Anti American pres who won't even salute OUR flag, that should tell ya something,, HELLO!! anybody home up there??!! Gary is a TRUE AMERICAN and MARINE, that is EXACTLY why he is an ENEMY of the Liar in chief!!

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Rodney Patterson

7:38 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012

You are absolutely correct Charly.

As a Marine, I'm disappointed that this individual could not follow simple orders with respect to his facebook comments. If he can't follow the simple orders, why on God's green earth would anyone want him in command of their son or daughter where carrying out orders becomes much more complicated and with lives at stake.

There are nearly 200,000 Marines on active duty and 99.99999% were able to follow this simple directive, 1 INDIVIDUAL couldn't and that's the 1 some people here want to praise...seems to me the praise belongs to the other 200,000 that did follow the rules.

Semper Fi

Doug Franz

1:13 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Once you take the oath, the President is YOUR Commander and Chief and you are no longer a civilian with free speech rights . Disrespecting the President is like spitting at your boss and disrespects your fellow service members who do show the proper respect his position garners. Stein deserved his discharge and the military is right to use him as an example for others. Making examples is a military specialty.

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Titus Brutii

1:53 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

don't take the oath. if you want to defend your country, start with defending your own state. join a militia. stop joining the military and stop being a slave to corporate interests.

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RetSquid

1:54 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Fortunately when you enlist you do NOT give up your rights to Free Speech. Only Officers give up their rights like that, it is illegal for them to say anything against any government official. He respected the Office, as required. There is no way to force someone to respect a person.

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Bill Bean

2:00 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Doug, when is it appropriate to criticize your boss? If your boss works you long hours, barely pays you, sometimes forgets to pay you, takes money back from you any chance he gets, frequently sends you into dangerous situations and only sometimes gives you the safety equipment to protect yourself, is it ok to post a critical opinion then? What if said boss is a drug user, a drunk, and spends all of their time at work so buzzed that they can get no work done? Or perhaps when you run into your boss, he continually makes lewd comments or touches you inappropriately? Is it still not ok to post a critical opinion just because he is your boss?
Why should Service members not have the right to have and share their opinion, yes, even about their "boss"? They are the ones with the intestinal fortitude to go and fight and give up body parts and sometimes their very lives to defend your right to be an idiot. Shut up and sit down.

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Andy Alford

2:19 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Evidently Doug you weren't around for your Constitution classes. Once you take your Oath, you are sworn to Uphold and Defend THE CONSTITUTION. Not the President. Yes he is the Commander in Chief, and yes you are bound by law to follow LAWFUL ORDERS. You are OBLIGATED by the same Law, to DISOBEY ILLEGAL orders. Cases in point. ALL of the Nuremburg Trials. Lt Callie of Mi Lai fame. Turn your weapons on an American Citizen in violation of that Oath and you become an enemy of that Constitution. You will be held accountable.

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Dave Reason

5:28 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Thank You Billy Bean!!!!!!!!!!!! You said all I wanted to say.

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black9

8:51 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

And you sir is full of it, You don't know what the regulations say, You cannot be in uniform or say you are representing the Marines, Lern before you speak.

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Carl Owen, III

9:02 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Amen brother. Once you put on the uniform you make a deal to serve ALL commanders in chief, not just those you like. Wanna act like a civilian? Become one.

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rainforestgirl

9:17 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Doug, when Gary became a Marine 9 years ago, we a REAL PRESIDENT that would not require new recruits to pledge allegience to HIM but to the American Flag, Country and Constitution. This Liar in the White House wants supreme power over all Americans, first of all the USMC's. This is obvious because he is afraid of them formost of all other military departments. That is why he is single-handedly firing 30,000 Marines, giving them no benefits and no jobs when they return home. He is hoping that the remaining military troops will stay squashed under his thumb for any reason he chooses. Marine Veterans and ALL Vets must watch out for him because he is imprisoning vets left and right because he knows they are capable of rooting him out. Troops, please do some research and see that he is lying to you and that you are being made a laughing stock to the rest of the world by him, even though you are the best trained fighters in the world. Also, please be aware of the International Crimes Committee (ICC), which obama and clinton will join. That committee can hold you prisoner in any country that apprehends you with no help from the US gov (obama) for as long as they like and even determine execution if they see fit. This group is located in Switzerland and you can be captured anywhere in the world and accused of war crimes with no help from the US whatsoever. Think obamas on your side? We have not joined the ICC yet but sure will before Nov 2012. Please stay safe!

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HEM

9:39 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Except that this is the United States of America... The UCMJ was written by Congress. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the FREEDOM OF SPEECH, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

...certain unalienable Rights... => Your opinion is STUPID.

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Rodney Patterson

7:48 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012

Bill Bean sounds like someone put a gun to your head and made you join...

The military didn't promise you jack...you (and they) knew what you were getting into, if you don't want to fight stay at home, if you don't want a fine stay out of trouble, if you don't want to work long hours go to work for Walmart, if you want the world to know your opinion go to work for a newspaper or write a blog...BUT DON'T JOIN MY MARINE CORPS!!!

Malingerers, Non Hackers and Sick Bay Commandos need not apply!

Jason

1:49 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

He took an oath to defend the CONSTITUTION from ALL enemies Foriegn and Domestic. He did not take an oath to support the president or to even like him and he has repeatedly clarified that he would follow all LAWFUL (i.e. Constitutional) orders.

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Richard Loyal French

1:52 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

You WILL OBEY Hitler !!! Or Else !!

..but what about our Constitution?

Hitler (Husssein Barack Obama) Takes Over the World !!! Objectors and the Constitution DIE !!!

More Power to Real men in Service to the United States and its CONSTITUTION !!
Not the President gone insane.

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Richard Loyal French

2:03 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

(.. . More Power to the men and Women in Service to the United Sates and its Constitution.)

Obama is Insane. Our Constitution is NOT!

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Bob Nelson

2:49 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

I see, the president with a one vote majority in the Senate, and in the minority in the Republican controlled house and republican controlled Supreme Court, nevertheless has dictatorial powers that he cannot use to get his policies enacted. But this situation makes him "Hitler".
What the hell are you smoking?
Seriously, how do you make that connection?
I know the republicans have vowed on his inauguration to "make him a one term president."
But just making up stuff seems a little crazy.

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Dennis J Taylor

5:57 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Rich, I wonder if you ever served a day in your life in the military, do you even understand the working of the Marine Corps? you're screaming about the consitution, this has nothing to do with the consitution, this is about a disobeyance of an lawful order. Stein commanding officer ordered him to take down the website, initially he did, but he put it back up, he disobeyed an lawful order, therefore he paid the price, blame the president all you want...it was a general who signed the paperwork to send him packing...mis-directed anger is what you're experiencing. BTW I retired from the Corps honorably after 30 yrs active service in 2006.

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Richard Loyal French

6:57 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

No One person... not Even the President, should be Above the Constitution of the United States. That is how Dictators, and even Hitler, began.

As to Hitler... even Hitler had his followers, just as Obama does. And I imagine that they said about the Same things as you are saying here... That You Have to Follow HIM!

Our Country is based on Our Founding Father's Constitution.... NOT the President... But "We THE PEOPLE."

Our Constitution matters a Hell of a lot more, than any President... even one that has gone insane. Do you follow an Insane man?? Or do you Follow the Constitution of the United States??

That is a question that you All will have to answer.

Because our freedoms depend on that answer.

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Ryan Smith

6:19 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012

Richard,
You may agree or disagree with Barack Obama, but comparing him to Hitler seems a bit of a stretch. There's a well-known "Internet rule" called Godwin's Law, which states in part that during an argument, the first person to compare his opponent to Hitler automatically loses the argument. Unlike most "Internet rules," that one actually makes a lot of sense to me. Barack Obama is not Hitler. George W. Bush is not Hitler. Only Hitler was Hitler. Until an American president starts a program to systematically wipe out 6 million members of one ethnic group within the space of a few years, I don't think Hitler comparisons are particularly apt.

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Richard Loyal French

6:42 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

It's hilarious when people bring up Godwin's Law like a Talisman to keep them safe! Like a child saying Cooties.

“During an argument, the first person to compare his opponent to Hitler automatically loses the argument"
"Godwin's Law... I win"
Feel better?

Like throwing down the Race Card: "You're Racist... I win!"
Childish at the least! Like a person who can't formulate his own opinion into words, you have to throwout a pre-designed Card for you to use that fits the setting you need: "Race Card" "Godwin's Law Card" "Cooties Card". Childish.

Fortunately I'm past that "Dick and Jane book” mentality.
I can, and Do, think for myself. I am outspoken. And I can verbalize objections without regurgitating pop-psych-CatchPhrases which have no substance. Like “Godwin's Law”
Feel better that you used it?

The catchphrase changes nothing: Hitler had his followers just as Obama does. Blind followers who quoted catchphrases, Devout to the Honor of Following him... to hell. And They were blind to it. All they Saw was Love and Honor; and Not what was really happening.
You really can't dismiss that: Millions of individuals following a MadMan. Like Obama.

"Godwin's Law" not withstanding. It's Not who uses the word Hitler who wins or loses that Childish play.... It's the inability (and dead Refusal) to see the comparisons, by which we all lose. All Americans, All Service Men and Women, should be protecting the Constitution of theUnited States. Not a madman gone insane.

JAKE

1:57 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

I'm in the military and to say that we should not have a opinion is obtuse and ignorant we should have more right to a opinion because the amendment for freedom of speech the amendment that is part of the constitution that we swear to defend gives us the right to

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Mary Hasan

2:38 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

If you are in the military, you know that it is not okay to disrespect your Commander In Chief. I really don't believe you are in the military. As an ex-military person, I never saw or heard anyone during my stint even talk about politics. We voted for who we wanted but we respected the office of the president.

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rainforestgirl

9:49 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Mary, maybe when you were in the military we had a president, not a dictator which even returning servicemen without jobs or benefits, obama using the money for vacations and elections, refer to as a dictator, see photos on facebook. When our troops return from deposing a dictator in another country and say and show publicly that they were sent to war to remove a dictator and they will not tolorate one here, well that is what is happening now. Past your time maybe, huh? Are you still seeing the truth or just the obama propaganda media machine? Wake up..kick ass and take names!

Susan K

1:58 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Exactly, Jason- and for the corp to stoop to using a former marine in a PSA commercial is disgusting!!!!

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Jon Hays

1:59 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Both of you are incorrect as it pertains to the law and the effects of service. The Supreme Court ruled in 1974 that the military has the right to restrict the speech of Officers. And later allowed for the military to restrict the speech of members when it directly effects the ability of the military to perform its mission. However, a Member of the military by virtue of enlisting or commissioning does not give up his ability to express disagreement or dislike for any political person including the President. Finally, in this case the Marine was administratively separated without a legal proceeding to determine if his behavior violated any law. This administrative separation appeared to be fueled by undue and potentially unlawful command influence.

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Andy Alford

2:48 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Unfortunately Jon you are trying to talk legal sense to several people who already have political agenda's of their own and wish to shut everyone else up so that they can continue to drag us into the cesspool of communism.

truthnut

1:59 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Personally, I would like to know just what our so-called president is forcing our military to do that would harm our countries civilians under the guise of his "power". This president is the most fradulent, communistic and evil leader that has existed since the old testament.

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Andy Alford

2:53 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

I'd have to disagree on one point you made Truthnut. Adolf still has him beat by a mile. Tho I'm sure if he wins this next election, he will do his absolute best to fix that little problem. There will be nothing then to stop him. He already has signed several EOs that have effectively nullified existing laws. He has refused to allow the Congress of the United States to investigate fully, possible criminal activity in relation to running guns south of the border by his own DOJ, and he has stonewalled every attempt to find out about his documented past. Tho the last one is not a violation of his own Oath to uphold and defend the Constitution. The others are actionable by the House of Representatives. But so long as you can't put one complete spine together from all of the members of the House, none of those flagrantly ILLEGAL EOs will ever be rescinded.

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Bob Nelson

3:10 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

I see, President Obama is more evil, than Hitler, Stalin, Genghis Khan, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein.
Really?
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rainforestgirl

9:40 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Andy, not sure of your age and truthnut, you are right on the money but obama is following EXACTLY the steps of Hitler. Most of you young people will not know how Hitler started his propaganda campaign because all that is remembered is how it ended with the holocaust. Well, this is starting out just like Hitler's propaganda machine and will end up MUCH worse. obama is forcing us into a socialist/communist dictatorship that will end in the United Nations taking away all our weapons UN small arms treaty (all weapons), National Heratige Sites (they already did that), coastal waters LOST treaty, ICC and relying on NATO to tell us where and when to send OUR TROOPS! Do you want countries like Egypt, Syria, Iran and others telling your sons and daughters in our military who we are going to fight for and where they will be sent with NO protections from the US? Yes obama is way, way worse than Hitler ever was and if elected again.....you decide, if you get the picture which it looks as if some of you really do not????

Jeff Porter

2:01 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

" I will defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic " Yeah " I will not follow any unconstitutional order's " would seem to fall under that !

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addy

2:07 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

This guy is a idiot and douchebag. He is also really shady and NOT trustworthy. I knew him but didnt realize he was the same idiot i heard about in the news.. He was not friendly and when he left he just up and left.. No manners about a 30 day notice... He was also kinda creepy in person. I SO wish i knew it was him cause i would have set him straight and told him what a idiot and douche bag he really is and what a shame to the MC he is...

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Gary Stein

11:04 am on Friday, July 20, 2012

So if you knew me please explain who are or at least how you knew me. Because the Marines I worked with would dispute anything you posted on here

Jackie Zufall

2:17 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

I don't give a rat's butt if they are military or not, FIRST AND FOREMOST THEY ARE AMERICANS AND ALL AMERICANS EARN THE RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND FEELINGS, AS LONG AS HE DOES HIS "JOB" GARY STEIN SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN GIVEN ANY KIND OF DISCHARGE AND IF OUR PRESIDENT WAS ANY KIND OF "MAN" AT ALL HE WOULD STAND UP FOR GARY'S RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH WHETHER WAS UNFAVORABLY OF HIM OR NOT, BECAUSE OPINIONS VARY AND THIS IS MINE!!!!!

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Bob Nelson

2:32 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Shouting won't make your rant sound intelligent.
First of all, he was discharged precisely because he couldn't or wouldn't DO his "job".
The first "job" of a Marine is to follow orders. That is the primary lesson learned in boot camp. He disregarded the orders of his superior officers in regards to his internet postings. The president has stayed out of this, and rightfully so. This is an internal matter in the Marine Corps.

Heath

2:21 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Doug and Addy. You are both douchebags large enough to clean a whales vagina so shut-up. He put his life on the line for your ungrateful lives. He deserves the highest honor without regard to his past. What he did before the service has no basis for the service will drastically change a person. So until you grow balls big enough to step into a pair of combat boot and run towards the line of fire I suggest you close your pole smoker. And to clarify...military members are free to voice their opinions. They are required to uphold all LAWFUL orders of the offices over them. Not all prefers are lawful. I'm so sick of communist/socialist liberals trying to change a good thing to make it better for them cause they are lazy ass douches. You don't like they way this house is ran? Take your ass to a third world country an try to change theirs. Fact of the matter. Be blessed you live I the USA. If you lived in a Muslim militant rule land, you would have already been dead. Fact.

Signing off,
Disabled Army Veteran

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addy

2:36 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Hey DOUCHE BAG i AM a military vet my husband IS IN The military ... this guy IS a douche bag and so are YOU for ASSuming we are not affiliated with the military ourselves.. He disobeyed a direct order so BAM he is gone. He acted in a manner NOT becoming of a REAL marine.. if you don't like it then STFU.. I met this guy in person and he is NOT all high and mighty like you think. lol. Get a BRAIN

Jason P. Brush

2:22 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Charly and Doug Franz, you two clearly show that you are missing some clarity in your thinking processes. How can you possibly fathom the idea that the very people who defend your freedoms don't have any? Gary Stein served his country with honor and should have his status reinstated. I'll just about guarantee if we had a Republican in office, you two boneheads would be defending Sgt Stein's comments. Then again, if we had a Republican in office, Gary would still be in uniform. If the President had any backbone at all, he would personally see to it. The Beloved Corps made a mistake. Whether you like him personally or not, his service, under any other circumstances would be characterized as Honorable and someone needs to pull their head out of that dark dark place and correct the mistake.

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Michael Rourke

2:30 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Sergeant Stein took an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States against all Enemies, foreign and Domestic. Kinda puts him in a pinch when the potus declares warfare against the Constitution of our Republic. Decisions, decisions.

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Bob Nelson

2:39 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Michael I would love to hear exactly how the Potus has declared war against the Constitution. You throw that around like it's a given fact, but where has the Scotus declared his policies unconstitutional? Come on surely you must have 4 or 5 right at your fingertips. I would love to hear them.

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Andy Alford

2:45 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Yes it does, but the Oath was to Uphold and Defend the Constitution, not the President OR the Government. The Constitution clarifies that WE the People of the United States. Not I Obama (or Bush, or <fill in the blank here>). Any Order to the contrary of that Oath is illegal.

Andy Alford

2:45 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Addy, exactly what order did he fail to follow?

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Heath

2:59 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Yes I'm curious as well. What order was it? As far as Obama attacking the constitution. Not everything is so black and white. Open your eyes and pay attention. Fast and Furious was an attempt by the government to strip away the right to bear arms. Why do you thing he used executive privilege to take all documents congress requested. To cover for his "boy". The legislature he attempted to enforce to give him authority to shut the Internet down was an infringement on the right of free speech. He hates america and all we stand for. He has always looked at us as an imperialistic enemy. That is why he verbally stated it is time that America needed to join the rest of the world and stop thinking we are better or "lucky". The time is coming to pick sides. I see it every day. We will be at war with ourselves. I promise you this, the number of pro constitution and pro freedom followers is bigger than the amount of free loaders and liberals. It has been and always will be. If you want to educate yourself then read the book titled "The Root of Obamas Rage" by D'inesh D'souza. Maybe you will finally see where his loyalties lie and why he does the things he does. I took the oath. I will fight for our rights and freedoms until te day I die. I didn't join the service for college or "to see the world", or becaus I didn't have the knowledge to go to college. I joined for patriotism.

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Bob Nelson

4:33 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Heath, heres a link to a story in Fortune magazine explaining Fast and Furious. There has been a lot of false information about it, with a lot of people thinking the government was providing the weapons involved. Which is not true. All of the weapons were purchased by private citizens from licensed gun dealers.
http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/
And I would remind you that this country was started by Liberals and the Revolutionary War was fought by Liberals against the British Army.
The Constitution IS A LIBERAL DOCUMENT.

Heath

3:40 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

When did patriotism get renamed to terrorism? Oh wait. Nvm. 2008

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SPB

4:50 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

The loudest people are often the least informed. Its stunning at how little people here understand the political philosophies they fear and rant about. Some of you really need to do a bit of studying on socialism and communism that doesn't come from conservative media with an agenda. Obama is so far away from socialism it just makes the hysterical 'sky is falling' types look pathetic. If Obama was a socialist, he would be busy privatizing American means of production (auto-bailout was Bush FYI), not providing political cover for corporate bankers or the business interests of large donors. Through words he has defended capitalism, through actions he has helped perpetuate its staggering corruption into plutocracy.

But none of this is even the issue here. The issue is what space an active duty service member has to voice their political opinions. I am not in the military and I will not pretend to know proper military procedure here, but what I do know is that If you make it a point to let people know you actively dislike your boss, then its probably not going to work out in your favor in the long run.

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Bill Bean

5:24 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

SPB, if Obama is so far from socialism, then why is the government subsidizing the auto industry (Obama, not Bush, signed that. Bush made the mistake of putting it together but Obama signed it), Green technology, etc? Why is he putting the government, not the people, firmly in control of our health care? "If Obama was a socialist, he would be busy privatizing American means of production"? You have got to be kidding me. Go back and read up on what socialism is. It ISN'T privatizing anything. It puts everything under the control of the government for the "common good". Obama IS a socialist, through and through. He just knows he cannot put his socialist policies in place all at once or he will face an enraged public that will forcibly undo what he has done.

Yes, letting it be known that you don't like the person sitting in the office as your boss tends not to do you any favors but he is entitled to his opinion. Liberals are always yammering about "freedom of speech" until it is against them. Then suddenly, the guy is wrong to give his opinion.

Addy, he acted in a manner becoming of a free American citizen. Being a Marine doesn't make him a robot. He was not a slave. He took it down when they told him to and they still canned him DISHONORABLY no less a month before his ETS date. Whatever else he might have done, they were wrong, very wrong, to can him for that.

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SPB

6:12 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

@ Bill, you are right, I made a mistake in my post. When I said privatization of means of production, I meant to say make means of production public. Oh to make a political statement on little sleep. Nice catch, but on to the real point:

There is a difference between letting it be known you don't like your boss and openly creating a page on the internet with the sole purpose of letting as many people as you can know that you don't like your boss. Anybody who did something like that would get fired. I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy.

As far as your charge against liberals and freedom of speech: Liberals and Conservatives are partners in the same dance of insult and umbrage. One side says/does something stupid, then the other side exaggerates it for political posture... the aggrieved side then does the exact same thing but on a different issue thereby upsetting the other side... round and round we go.

Re: healthcare, the problem is that it isn't public. The burden is placed on employers. Its a recipe for job loss, and ultimately its going to bear some bitter fruit. I see healthcare as a public good, like fire or police protection. Public healthcare is no more socialist than a police force that enforces all laws equally, or a fire department that protects everybody's house.

Re: subsidies, come on man. Everyone in gov't has a pet industry. The left pushes for green industry, the right for agri-business and oil. Its legalized corruption. Just follow the $$$

Chasbeau

8:55 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Stein was a bad Marine who was repeatedly counseled and denied promotions for years due to his failures to meet expectations, and here's the evidence:

http://ia601204.us.archive.org/20/items/gov.uscourts.casd.380640/gov.uscourts.casd.380640.23.4.pdf

http://ia601204.us.archive.org/20/items/gov.uscourts.casd.380640/gov.uscourts.casd.380640.23.7.pdf

Anyone who reads these documents in their entirety and still supports Stein can best be described as clueless.

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Ervin Smith

10:25 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

All of you wo want to defend Gary's actions I want to ask a very simple question. If you owned a business and one of your employees made disparaging remarks about you and your business on Facebook that impacted your profitability, would you have the right to fire that person?

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Tonto

10:30 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

If he was a marxist communist illegal alien .........HELL YEA!

Ervin Smith

10:38 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Based on your respond it just proves the point that you didn't read or comprehend the question. The intelligence level of the country is more of a threat than PRESIDENT OBAMA will ever be.

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Giselle

1:34 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012

This is all about the President's race. Every cracker has come out of the wood work since he was elected fair and square, falling all over themselves to be as publicly disrespectful as possible because their guy didn't win. They wear it like a badge of honor. It's so sad that racism in this country is still so acceptable and tolerated in 2012. Gary is where he belongs out of the service and without a psa. He should run to become the grand wizard in the local klan all he's missing is the sheets.

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SPB

10:31 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012

so.... disliking the president = racism, but calling white people crackers is fine?

Actually, the term cracker is laughably hokey. The half of me thats white isn't particularly offended, though you offend everyone's intelligence with your asinine comment.

Jeff Snyder

9:05 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012

All Marines, real Marines, know that you follow orders. This Stein character decided to place his political views over the direct order of a superior. He failed to follow orders, and has paid the price. The Marine Corps, or any other branch of our armed forces, cannot complete their missions when service members fail to follow orders. It doesn't matter if the service member was disrespecting Obama, Bush or Big Bird. Yes, he has a right to free speech, but in order for the USMC to be able to defend this country, that right doesn't trump a lawful order. Imagine the precedent that would be set if any service could fail to follow orders because it violated their free speech. When issues like these arise I always remember what my old Gunny used to say to me, " Cpl. Snyder, we are here to defend democracy, not to practice it". That's "Old Corps" right there, and I think we need to remember it.

Semper Fi to all my brothers out there.

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Bill Bean

9:38 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012

No one put a gun to my head and I serve because I choose to serve. I was putting out an example. I expected long hours and I get them. I'm not complaining for myself. I was painting a bleak picture that in any other line of work would have people filing lawsuits and in our line of work is mostly par for the course yet they have a problem with someone posts a criticism about it. Just so you know, I don't typically post complaints about my work simply because I knew what I was getting into.

Here is the key in what you are all saying that you yourselves are missing. "LAWFUL order" Show me in the regs where it says that the Marine Corps can dictate what you put on your Facebook page. Granted, I know there are some things that are simply not acceptable. But his 1st line telling him they don't want him to voice his opinion about something is not a lawful order. That is out of their turf.

That being said, I hear that he had some other issues before and this was just the straw that broke the camel's back. That's fine. If they sacked him because he had a track record of disobeying orders and not paying debts, etc then I have no problem with it. That is a whole different ball game. But if they sacked him simply because they didn't like him voicing his opinion about a President that is tearing our country apart in every way he can, then I have a big problem with it.

Giselle, look at what you said and tell me who is racist. "Cracker"? Really?

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SPB

1:31 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012

Yup, we're all racist crackers for having critiques of our president... Though I think I would be considered whole wheat...

TVOR

12:22 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012

This guy is upset about being embarrassed by the Marine Corps? He deserves what he gets for being an embarrassment to the Marine Corps.

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Scott

7:27 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012

I lose more and more respect for the marines every day. When you look at the redneck jarheads that invade our town and act like jack asses, you can't help but feel a sense of embarrassment. They are quite possibly the WORST example of America that we could possibly demonstrate to the rest of the world. This guy is leading that movement.

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Richard Loyal French

8:36 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012

Well.... I don't think I ever see the Muslim Brotherhood marching in a Gay Pride Movement. They must be laughing their Muslim heads off.

Still.. they will follow Obama into the Gloryhole of derogation as if they have no American Free will. And they Don't. They are only "Follow Order" grunts.

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Mirna Alfonso

12:36 am on Friday, July 20, 2012

Please refrain from cursing on this site or your comment will be deleted.

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Bill Bean

11:23 am on Friday, July 20, 2012

I take it some comments were deleted? I got notice that there were more comments and I came to see them but I see only this one about not cursing. Interesting. Wonder what I missed?

Chasbeau

8:21 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

Gary Stein
8:04 am on Friday, July 20, 2012

"So if you knew me please explain who are or at least how you knew me. Because the Marines I worked with would dispute anything you posted on here"

Once again, here's EXACTLY what your "fellow" (no longer) Marines and the Corps had to say about you:

http://ia601204.us.archive.org/20/items/gov.uscourts.casd.380640/gov.uscourts.casd.380640.23.4.pdf

http://ia601204.us.archive.org/20/items/gov.uscourts.casd.380640/gov.uscourts.casd.380640.23.7.pdf

I really think their last words to and about you were something along the lines of "Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out".

Have a nice life, bagger.

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Richard Loyal French

9:38 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

Don't pay any mind, Gary Stein, to the Obama boot-lickers.

David B Secor

8:59 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

Gary Stein, you are fortunate to have had such light punishment. Your apologists, like my opponent D.D. Hunter, and put YOU in THEIR place. They are civilians and have 1st Amendment rights that you, as an active duty soldier, did NOT have under the UCMJ. Your apologists, like my opponent D.D. Hunter, think discipline, morale, focus on mission, are no longer necessary in today's Marine Corps.
Would a REAL Republican, like President Dwight Eisenhower, former Supreme Allied Commander in WWII, a real war hero, have publicly supported urinating on enemy bodies, burning holy books, massacring civilians, publicly attacking the CIC and publicly refusing to follow CIC orders?
I was not a Marine, but with the 1st Air Cavalry alongside Marines in I Corps, Vietnam in 1968 (Tet, Khe Sanh, A Shau Valley, etc.).
Even 45 years ago, your cowardly insubordinate actions would have at the very least gotten you exactly the punishment you received. I didn't like LBJ OR Nixon! I kept my opinions to myself and did my job.
You are a loudmouthed, immature, self-centered prima dona and do not belong in the U.S. Marines, or Army, or Navy, or Coast Guard, National Guard, Reserves, etc.

The dumbbells who support you in spite of the UCMJ are just Obama-haters and will support any jerk, criminal or traitor who feels like they do.
And active duty personnel -I say, hate Obama on your own time, as I did LBJ and Nixon at times.

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TVOR

3:02 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012

Mr Secor, I am surrprised a candidtae for a high political office would post such a poorly written, almost unintelligible comment such as yours. May I suggest you have someone proofread your public postings before you post them up? By the way, thank you for your service to our great country.

Amber

10:08 pm on Saturday, July 28, 2012

Why are some of you defending a man who signed a document, clearly stating that he will not speak out against the government, and even took an oath to serve and protect his possibly "lewd.. Boss?" Yes, everyone has the right to freedom of speech, but when you sign a legal document and say your oath, you should at least know who your bound to serve and why things are the way they are.

Everyone's allowed to voice their opinion, but becoming a marine also means protecting your government and overcoming the challenge of wanting to talk and act like every other human being. I signed my papers, I'm prepared to take my oath, and I hope that those faithful marines that are still following orders will still be there to keep everyone else in check. A job is a job, but the marines is a lifestyle.

Don't like it? Don't join. Simple as that.

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